Freeze-Dried Cyclops
Contents:
- RE: Cyclop-eeze
by "William Vannerson" <William_Vannerson/ama-assn.org> (Thu, 15 Jun 2000)
- RE: Cyclop-eeze
by BigJohnW/webtv.net (John Wubbolt) (Thu, 15 Jun 2000)
- RE: Cyclop-eeze
by "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2/tampabay.rr.com> (Thu, 15 Jun 2000)
- Cyclop-eeze
by Fbethea <FRANCINEBETHEA/excite.com> (Fri, 16 Jun 2000)
- Cyclop-eeze
by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Fri, 16 Jun 2000)
- RE: Cyclop-eeze
by "William Vannerson" <William_Vannerson/ama-assn.org> (Fri, 16 Jun 2000)
- cyclop-eeze
by Kathy Olson <kathy/thekrib.com> (Sat, 1 Apr 2000)
- cyclop-eeze
by Tim Ellis <timellis/flash.net> (Sat, 01 Apr 2000)
- Re:cyclop-eeze
by "Vern Wensley" <vernwen/home.com> (Sat, 1 Apr 2000)
- cyclop-eeze
by Fi205sh/aol.com (Sat, 1 Apr 2000)
- cyclop-eeze
by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Sat, 01 Apr 2000)
by "William Vannerson" <William_Vannerson/ama-assn.org>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
>>Am I missing something here? Proven feeds like decaps, bbs and gut-loaded Artemia are being abandoned for an exotic-sounding name that's *no less expensive*?<<
One pound cans of BS Cysts are far more expensive than the $20 for Cyclop-eeze, which will last as long if not longer. Plus there's no hassle of hayching, decap'ing or feeding (gut loading) Artemia. Lastly, Cyclop-eeze has more nutritional value than BS or BBS alone. (gut loading adds nutrients, but it also adds additional cost and labor).
So it's less expensive, easier to use and nutritious.
There are some draw backs. First, some contend that there are nutrients found in live food (trace minerals, etc.) that cannot be found in any dried food. Second, you may run into problem fish or fry that won't eat Cyclop-eeze. But I haven't heard of such a case yet and my experience has proven that my fish relish it. My small killies start devouring it almost the instant it hits the water.
But of course, YMMV.
Bill Vannerson
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson
by BigJohnW/webtv.net (John Wubbolt)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
well I wanted to pipe in here too about this. At the NEC convention
workshop this past march i bought a can of the stuff, now i also keep
killies along with my apistos. I figured with the price of brine shrimp
eggs going through the roof, i'd try it. Well I could get my fish to
eat it at all. So no matter how much cheaper they are then bbs eggs
i'll stick to bbs at what ever costs!! I ended up giving my can away
to a friend who wanted to try them with his guppies. So sorry im not
sold on this stuff.
John
by "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2/tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000
To: <apisto/majordomo.pobox.com>
Bill...........and some of you other folks who are looking at us as though
we are goofy....
......actually I admit to that but let me talk for a second about my
"trials" with Cyclop-eeze. I finally got a can of Cyclop-eeze from the
apisto group and thought my bbs days were over........I thought the days of
paying now $100 for a can of "premium" eggs was done. As soon as I got the
can I rushed to my fishroom and started feeding fish (some 80 tanks). Now
mind you these are fish that from their first day on earth have not seen
anything but some sort of live food.............bbs, BBS, black worms(don't
get in a tizzy, I've been using blackworms since I first saw them in
1969...you have to clean them and not give them to some fish right off the
bat....F0 apistos), daphnia, infusoria, micro-worms, earth
worms..........95% of my fish have never tasted a non-moving food in their
entire stay with me.........folks, the Cyclop-eeze went right to the bottom
and was there the next day as though it were a plague. OK..........clean it
up and starve the little buggers.........feed-em C-ezze and sooner or later
everything will be alright. Well, it's not a big deal, but I lost 2 spawns
of angels and 1 spawn of aggies before I gave the can away. I got some more
at the AKA convention in Tampa and I tried it again..............I figured
that it had to be me because so many people were just raving about it. I
didn't loose any fry because I didn't let it go but for 2 days, but still no
success, most picked at it and spit it out....NO ONE got anything like a
full belly at ALL...the fry wouldn't touch it...right to the bottom. It
just went to the bottom and sat there and in the killie and angel raising
tanks I had to put snails and cats in there because it began to get really
bad on the bottom..........now folks, I'm trying...........but some of us
simply don't have Cyclop-eeze "thumbs" yet. I spend a BUNCH of time raising
live foods for my fish..........I forgot vinegar eels in that last
list........do you folks think I wouldn't rather spend that time doing
something with the fish..........come on..............just today I actually
spent $100 on a lb. of bbs...........folks, I'm a little goofy, but not
really dumb.........I was around when that 1 lb. can sold for
$9.00..............do you think I wouldn't do Cyclop-ezze if I
could.........please don't flame and call me stupid.......as I said, I
accept that ($100 for a 1 lb. can of bbs)........help some of us out
please............
Thanks........
Mike
Mike Jacobs
Center for Advanced Technologies
Lakewood H.S.
St Pete, Fl 33705
mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: William Vannerson <William_Vannerson@ama-assn.org>
To: <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Cyclop-eeze
>>Am I missing something here? Proven feeds like decaps, bbs and gut-loaded
Artemia are being abandoned for an exotic-sounding name that's *no less
expensive*?<<
One pound cans of BS Cysts are far more expensive than the $20 for
Cyclop-eeze, which will last as long if not longer. Plus there's no hassle
of hayching, decap'ing or feeding (gut loading) Artemia. Lastly,
Cyclop-eeze has more nutritional value than BS or BBS alone. (gut loading
adds nutrients, but it also adds additional cost and labor).
So it's less expensive, easier to use and nutritious.
There are some draw backs. First, some contend that there are nutrients
found in live food (trace minerals, etc.) that cannot be found in any dried
food. Second, you may run into problem fish or fry that won't eat
Cyclop-eeze. But I haven't heard of such a case yet and my experience has
proven that my fish relish it. My small killies start devouring it almost
the instant it hits the water.
But of course, YMMV.
Bill Vannerson
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson
by Fbethea <FRANCINEBETHEA/excite.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
All of my fish have always eaten live food. Wanting to try something touters
claimed as exceptional, I bought a 100 g can of C-eeze from Africanhut. Most
of my apistos will eat it if it is in a floating ball; about the size of a
"O". With the fry, I initially mixed small amounts with microworms and bbs.
In the feeding frenzy they will eat it all. If any makes it to the gravel,
the corys and plecos take care of it.
Good day 2 U,
Francine
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:16:48 -0500, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com wrote:
> So, given all the hype and counter-hype, is there any chance that the
> maker or distributor of Cyclop-Eeze would consider breaking a can
> into a bunch of little single-feed size trial pouches? Maybe a
> single gram, or so. Or at least a teensy weensy can at a really
> cheap price?
>
> I hate to mention other brands of food and start ANOTHER flame war,
> but when VibraGro came out, I bought a can and gave it a shot. I was
> never able to get ANYTHING to eat it, and by that I mean ANYTHING.
> South Americans, Africans, nothing.
> [http://www.mops.on.ca/products/FORS-93227.htm] for a peek at
> VibraGro; interestingly, the company site www.vibragro.com doesn't
> work anymore. Likewise, I decided to give NewLife Spectrum [see
> What's New at http://www.seachem.com ] a try. I can get anything to
> eat it, and nutritionally it seems like a good staple pellet. I've
> got wild-caught Dicrossus, wild Tanganyikans, and wild Malawis all
> eating it up (not to mention Ctenopoma ansorgii . . . ). Trying new
> foods is a crapshoot.
>
> I mean, reading the nutritional assays
> [http://www.argent-labs.com/cyclopeeze.htm ], it sounds like
> Cyclop-Eeze are worth a shot. But if your fry/fish won't eat them,
> then no price is low enough. I've got a school of Espe pencilfish
> right now that will ONLY eat Hikari Micro Pellets and BBS, it'd be
> nice to offer them a change.
>
> Stuart
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> (gasdocstu@my-deja.com)
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by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
I've been reading this thread with some amusement because I think everyone is
comparing apples to oranges. It is just another freeze-dried food. It appears
that most of the hobbyists who haven't gotten their fish to eat it feed live food
almost exclusively. If their fish only respond to live foods then of course any
freeze-dried food will not be accepted. I can remember when freeze-dried tubifex
worms were the latest & greatest food out there (am I dating myself?). Many
hobbyist considered it the perfect food, but it isn't. No single food is. I use
Cyclop-eeze and my fish love it, but they eat flakes, Tetra Bits, frozen, and
live foods too. It is an excellent food for me because my fish eat it. If they
didn't, it would be just a waste of money! Even the best food is worthless if
your fish don't eat it.
Mike Wise
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by "William Vannerson" <William_Vannerson/ama-assn.org>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
Mike wrote:
>>Bill...........and some of you other folks who are looking at us as though we are goofy....<<
Mike, that was before the C-eeze issue <VBG>!
I don't have a clue why the fry won't eat the stuff in your tanks. I could see an adult fish balking at the stuff, but fry haven't be spoiled with live food yet. I'v been too busy to breed anything, but I have been feeding it on occaision to my smaller killies, all o which cam from fishrooms that fed exclusively with live food. They go for it like it's going out of style. And I've talked to cichlid breaders who have switched to it exclusively. Bob Mathews, the current GCCA president, and his wife Laura
haven't hatched BBS in over a year. And they breed Africans and S.A. They even have some wild Apistos in that they caught on their honeymoon (a match made in heaven). But I don't know if they've breed them yet so I can't say if they F1 fry go for Cyclop-eeze.
I'll dig up him email address and send it to you privately if you want to discuss it with him in detail?
The only thing I can think off is that the fry may need a mechanical stimulus to trigger their brains into identifying it as food. I imagine that they are genetically prorammed to recognize anything tha moves and is smaller than thir mouth as food. Do you crumble the C-eeze up? I don't. I feed it in small clumps that naturally form from moisture. This lets the food float on the surface a while longer and makes it easier for the fish o find it.
Or you might try feeding both C-eeze and BBS at the same time in order to condition them into thinking of C-eeze as a food source.
Just a thought.
Bill Vannerson
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson
by Kathy Olson <kathy/thekrib.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
On a side note, with brine shrimp eggs getting so expensive and the hatch
rate worse, I think people are looking for alternatives. At NEC when we
picked up the air pump we also got some cyclop-eeze. What is everyone
else's experience with this?? I have either sprinkled it on top of the
tank or made a slurry of it, the protein content is significantly higher
than brine shrimp which should be great for fry growth. I am just
starting with it, anyone else have experience with Cyclop-eeze??
Kathy
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Erik Olson wrote:
> As I said, source was www.jehmco.com and I don't have the model number
> offhand here. I could look some of this up when I get home tonight.
>
> - Erik
>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 Fi205sh@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi Eric
> >
> > I am in a similar situation. I run about 32 tanks and am currently using 4
> > smaller pumps. I used to use three with enough air but as the pumps aged and
> > needed new diaphragms, the output reduced. I do keep a couple spares but it's
> > a pain in the butt to pull them out, so I let the air reduce to too low a
> > level before replacing and repairing the old pump. I don't want to go the
> > blower route either, so the pump you bought sounds ideal. Do you know a
> > source and the name and model number of the pump you bought? Do they have
> > accessible replacement parts? Do you know how reliable they are?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tom Wojtech
> >
> >
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by Tim Ellis <timellis/flash.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
I have been using frozen cyclops for a year or so now with good results, but the fry
need to be 1/4 inch long or more to fit it in their mouths. How can I get some
cyclop-eeze? Mail-order?
Thanks,
Tim
by "Vern Wensley" <vernwen/home.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000
To: "apisto" <apisto/listbox.com>
I have been using cyclop-eeze and freshwater mysis shrimp for about 2-3
months now.All my fish seem to have brighter colors.To feed the bigger
apistos I take a pinch and stick my fingers in the water.It will clump
together making for a bigger piece.For fry I just sprinkle on top and stir
with my finger so it gets in the water column.Havent had a fish refuse it
.The german hobbists swear by cyclops and daphnia,brings out the
red.Cyclop-eeze is alot cheaper and lasts a very long time.I bought 2-100g
cans and dont see having to buy more fore a very long time.
Vern
by Fi205sh/aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
Hi All
I tried some Cyclops-eeze on two batches of Bettas, splendens and imbellis,
both were able to take it from the start. I would say it seem like it will be
a good starting food but I may have had a better idea if I had the room to
try my "normal" vs Cyclops-eeze. I got mine from Jeff Magnus at a club
function. I think he is handling smaller amounts.
Tom Wojtech
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by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
I've been using Cyclop-eeze for about 6 months now, especially on fry & juveniles,
but adults love it too. All my fish love it, once it sinks to them, just as much as
live baby brine. I use a sample syringe (something like those that Tetra sells). I
add enough Cyclop-eeze to some water in the syringe. Then I shake the syringe to mix
with water & shoot it into the water. Like most freeze-dried foods it has a tendency
to float at first, but sinks in a few minutes.
Those who want it can buy it from the ASG's "Apisto-Phile". The ASG is a distributor
for Cyclop-eeze. We sell 30 gm cans (about the 2/3 the size of a standard can of
vegetables) for $10.80 or 3 cans for $30.00. ASG members can check in the Apisto-gram
for more information. We also sell New Life SPECTRUM pellet foods, too. Then there
are all the books, breeding caves, plant fertilizers, etc. We plan on expanding our
list of hard to find items as time goes by.
Mike Wise
Kathy Olson wrote:
> On a side note, with brine shrimp eggs getting so expensive and the hatch
> rate worse, I think people are looking for alternatives. At NEC when we
> picked up the air pump we also got some cyclop-eeze. What is everyone
> else's experience with this?? I have either sprinkled it on top of the
> tank or made a slurry of it, the protein content is significantly higher
> than brine shrimp which should be great for fry growth. I am just
> starting with it, anyone else have experience with Cyclop-eeze??
>
> Kathy
>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Erik Olson wrote:
>
> > As I said, source was www.jehmco.com and I don't have the model number
> > offhand here. I could look some of this up when I get home tonight.
> >
> > - Erik
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 Fi205sh@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Eric
> > >
> > > I am in a similar situation. I run about 32 tanks and am currently using 4
> > > smaller pumps. I used to use three with enough air but as the pumps aged and
> > > needed new diaphragms, the output reduced. I do keep a couple spares but it's
> > > a pain in the butt to pull them out, so I let the air reduce to too low a
> > > level before replacing and repairing the old pump. I don't want to go the
> > > blower route either, so the pump you bought sounds ideal. Do you know a
> > > source and the name and model number of the pump you bought? Do they have
> > > accessible replacement parts? Do you know how reliable they are?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Tom Wojtech
> > >
> > >
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> >
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> > erik at thekrib dot com
> >
> >
> >
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