Apistogramma meinkeni
Contents:
- A. iniridae
by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Tue, 01 Sep 1998)
- damn pertensis!
by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org> (Wed, 16 Sep 1998)
- damn pertensis!
by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org> (Wed, 16 Sep 1998)
by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
kathy-at-thekrib.com wrote:
> Mike in addition to what Randy had to say below....on differences with
> meinkeni and pertensis. I understand that meinkeni had the 1st 5 dorsal
> lappets free vs 3 with pertensis. Meinkeni also had a ventral stripe and
> a short bar/anal spot and can have a asymmetrically round tail with a
> longer upper lobe/portion. Pertensis has a round tail and lacks the
> ventral/anal stripe.
>
> Now I haven't gotten to spawn both of these guys yet, so the info is from
> the literature. I too have 4-5 contaminants from a batch of Dicrossus and
> think I may have pertensis and a possible meinkeni in there. Haven't
> gotten a chance to study them in detail. Also may have an elizabethae in
> there as well...haven't even talked to Erik about that one yet.
> Interesting but in some of the lit I have seen them mention that meinkeni,
> uapesi, elizabethae and brevis can be found in/near the same river system
> (uapesi). I am sure Mike Wise would know the latest on this, my sources
> are a little older.
> Kathy
Kullander's 1980 original description lists A. meinkeni sympatric with A. uaupesi, A.
brevis, and A. elizabethae. This is the only confirmed location for this species, but a
wider distribution is probable. A. meinkeni - or one or two very closely related
species - is reported from the Rio Tefé on the Rio Solimões and comes in with apistos
from the mid-lower Rio Negro (A. pertensis & A. hippolytae).
Mike Wise
> Randy's reply
> >
> > Like Dorthy in "The Wizard of OZ," you had the power/answer all along. It's in
> > Linke/Staeck.
> >
> > [1] iniridae has the lateral band continue into the caudal, but the other two has
> > a distinct caudal spot, separated from the lateral band.
> >
> > [2] pertensis males have short ventrals, but the other two have long ventrals.
> >
> > With these two features, you should be able to figure out the differences (on
> > adult males).
> >
> > Further differences are present as well. For instance, meinkeni has a broken
> > caudal pattern (upper vs lower) and only iniridae has a light, white edging on
> > its dorsal and caudal fins.
> >
> >
> > --Randy
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by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998
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Mike Jacobs wrote:
> -The true A. pertensis
> you guys gave me.....but it is hard to get these fish to slow down to
> count rows and I do not trust those books......the bork book is
> beautiful but they are not like any Apisto's I buy. Does anyone out
> there have some good valid pic's of these fish?
I strongly recommend the original description of A. meinkeni by
Kullander, 1980: there is a black & white picture of a preserved
specimen, but you can count about 6-7 dark bars on caudal fin. It must
be noted that the clear interspaces are broader (when closer to caudal
fin end) than the dark bars or about same size (when closer to caudal
peduncle). Worthy to check the picture.
Cheers, Marco.
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by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998
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Mike Jacobs wrote:
>
> Marco wrote...
> >I strongly recommend the original description of A. meinkeni by
> >Kullander, 1980: there is a black & white picture of a preserved
> >specimen,
>
> Great suggestion.....thanks.....where does one find these descriptions.
> Libraries.........the internet???
Dear Mike:
You can find it at a library.
Look for: "Bonner Zoologische Monographien, Nr. 14, 1980". This is
Kullander's paper containing A. meinkeni's original description, as well
as many other species.
I agree with what Mike Wise suggested, i.e., that A. pertensis is not a
single, but a complex of species. So many of the so-called A. pertensis-
populations, A. cf. pertensis, A. aff. pertensis or ditto for the A.
meinkeni in the hobby should represent distinct, closely related
species.
I've collected myself the real A. meinkeni (from type locality, the
village of Trovao at Rio Uaupes) and can tell you that the light
interspaces are always broader or equal in width to the dark bars, just
exactly as in Kullander's picture. I have preserved a few specimens (now
deposited at the NR Museum in Stockholm, where Kullander works) and have
a slide from this specimen (dead, after preservation in formaline, but
caudal fin pattern clearly visible).
The real A. pertensis, like Mike Wise said, is best referred to as
Haseman's photo/drawing.
It's a fish from Rio Negro.
I've collected some fishes like A. meinkeni, as the so-called A. cf.
meinkeni "Tefé", but it may represent another distinct, closely related
species. (I've shown a slide of this fish at last Apistogramma Study
Group lecture in St. Louis).
Cheers.
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