by Doug Brown <debrown/kodak.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
>How do you know you have luelingi and not cacatuoides?
>- Steve
They grew up! If you mean how to distinguish them when they are small, to
my inexperienced eye it's not very easy. I had to wait until the male
luelingi got the one black caudal fin spot and that light blue vertical
stripe pattern in the caudal, dorsal and anal fins. Females - I have no
idea.
-Doug Brown
debrown-at-kodak.com
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by swaldron/slip.net (Steven J. Waldron)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
>>How do you know you have luelingi and not cacatuoides?
>>- Steve
>
>They grew up! If you mean how to distinguish them when they are small, to
>my inexperienced eye it's not very easy. I had to wait until the male
>luelingi got the one black caudal fin spot and that light blue vertical
>stripe pattern in the caudal, dorsal and anal fins. Females - I have no
>idea.
Well, I'm just a skeptic. Luelingi are found well outside of commercial
fish collecting routes (Bolivia, s.e. Peru), so a big batch of wild caughts
seems unlikely. Captive specimens I'm sure are availalble from Europe
though. On the females, should be very noticeable distinctions from
cacatuoides around breeding time.
- Steve
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by Doug Brown <debrown/kodak.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
I was wondering this myself after noticing the range of this fish. There
are also some apisto breeders around Buffalo, NY so who knows. They are
definitely luelingi though. I've been waiting for my reticulosa male to get
his "red mask" for photos, but I might go ahead and try a few this weekend
anyway.
>Well, I'm just a skeptic. Luelingi are found well outside of commercial
>fish collecting routes (Bolivia, s.e. Peru), so a big batch of wild caughts
>seems unlikely. Captive specimens I'm sure are availalble from Europe
>though. On the females, should be very noticeable distinctions from
>cacatuoides around breeding time.
>- Steve
-Doug Brown
debrown-at-kodak.com
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by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com
Doug Brown wrote:
> . I can't figure out how his luelingi looks so washed out though.
> These are not gray fish!
>
What surprises me about Bork's photo of A. leulingi (and it appears to be A.
leulingi) isn't the washed colors, but the fact that the fish pictured has ONLY 3
ANAL SPINES! Most A. leulingi have 4. Kullander records only 1 of 40+ specimens
studied had 3 anal spines. This wouldn't be the ideal fish to use for IDing this
species
Mike Wise
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by "Mroz, Tom" <tmroz/art-inc.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998
To: "'apisto/majordomo.pobox.com'" <apisto/majordomo.pobox.com>
I found my luelingi to spawn in the exact same fashion as other apistos.
The female laid eggs on the top inside of a flowerpot on its side. The
spawns were very viable, even though I used straight Buffalo tap water
(about 160-170 hardness and ~7.5 pH). I was feeding mostly flake and
BBS, though they also got occasional feedings of whiteworms. I had not
problems with them spawning about every 3 weeks, and neither was shy,
though the male would occasionally bully the female between spawning
events. I don't necessarily suggest that these water conditions are
more appropriate for this species, but this happened to work for me.
And yes, these were definitely luelingi, and not a form of cacatuoides.
Of course, apistos act differently for different people. I currently
have some rotpunct (sold as sp. "red point") that look fine, but just
won't spawn. I have had them previously, with similar poor spawning
results. Yet, most other aquarists in my area were spawning these like
crazy about 6 years ago. You could not give them away back then. So,
it could be the fickle-ness of the pair, or something peculiar in the
set-up relative to the species.
Unfortunately, I had an unexplained death with the female (no outward
signs of disease or wounds and no unusual behavior just prior to death),
so I am left only with a few fry. Anybody have extra females?
Tom
> From: swaldron-at-slip.net[SMTP:swaldron-at-slip.net]
>
> Doug,
> I would raise your pH (try 6) and also separate your pair for awhile.
> From
> what I can vaguely remember- luelingi have unusual reproductive habits
> for
> apistos -reported to spawn around depressions in the substrate at the
> base
> of plants. Perhaps add some find sand and some sword plants. Are you
> sure
> they are mature enough to spawn? Good luck
> - Steve
>
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