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Suggestion Re: Spam

by Mike Jacobs <mfjacobs/geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com

Eric.........I have about 150+ fry from 2 spawns of A. gibbiceps.  The
original female is still around but the male I found on the floor...the
big plunge...:-).

No really........the pair were F0 from Dave Soares and I just "feed them
good stuff"......I had 1 spawn and removed the young at about 2 weeks
and they spawned again in 4-5 days and at about the 2-3 week the male
jumped.....possibly from the chasing by the female........but at that
time I had no reason to think that if he was still around they would
still be spawning........he was a beautiful BIG stud!!    pH.....5.8  
hardness........30ppm calcium (pretty soft!)

Any one want some true F1's..........;-)

Mike Jacobs

mfjacobs-at-geocities.com

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suggestions needed

by Mike Jacobs <mfjacobs/geocities.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998
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Daryl.....
I've had as much luck as anyone with A. gibbiceps........my first spawn
was about 1 1/2 years ago and it was a huge one.  Maybe 120+ surrvived
the spawn.  2-3 months later the original pair spawned again and then
4-5 months after that some of the original spawn again.....needless to
say I had gibbiceps coming out of my ears.....but!..I found them to be
much more secretive than some of the other dwarfs.......they are not so
male to 3-4 female type of fish......and they like it planted and very
little movement (other fish). pH a bit lower than what you're dealing
with.......maybe 5.0!  Good luck!!!......by the way, these are just my
observations of only 3-4 spawns!!

Mike


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My first apisto photos

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998
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Thomas,

I hate to "put a fly in the ointment" but it's possible that you fish could be A.
roraimae.  I know that Kullander had synonymized it with A. gibbiceps several
years ago, but it's now back on his list as a valid species.  As far as I know
nothing new has been described on A. roraimae, although additional collections
have been taken from around Boa Vista, the type locality of A. roraimae on the
Rio Branco.

Koslowski states in his book that there are two forms of A. gibbiceps.  The type
specimens have longitudinal stripes running through the tail and long anterior
dorsal fin extensions.  It is a difficult species to breed, requiring extremely
soft and acid water.  The other form, which he calls A. cf. gibbiceps has faint
vertical barring in the middle of the tail, lower dorsal fin extensions, and much
easier to breed - even in neutral water conditions.  The holotype of A. roraimae
(a female) shows faint vertical barring in the tail.  Being from the Rio Branco,
a clear water river, its likely that A. roraimae doesn't require the black water
needed by A. gibbiceps to spawn.  Could Koslowski's A. cf. gibbiceps be A.
roraimae?  I don't know.  But what ever it is, your fish belongs in the
gibbiceps-complex.

Mike Wise

RE: Stray Apistos

by "Mroz, Tom" <tmroz/art-inc.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998
To: "'apisto/majordomo.pobox.com'" <apisto/majordomo.pobox.com>

A. gibbiceps will very often (but not absolutely always) exhibit the
faint diagonal barring on the lower body behind the pectoral fins.  This
is a dead ringer identification point for this fish.  Most of the recent
Apisto books will show a picture of gibbiceps with this marking.  I've
spotted gibbiceps contaminants in stores 3-4 times in the past 2 years
by this ident. alone.  The trick is then to make positive ID of the
females amongst the contaminants!

Tom

> ----------
> From: 	Thomas Soelter[SMTP:Thomas.Soelter-at-ruhr-uni-bochum.de]
> Reply To: 	apisto-at-majordomo.pobox.com
> Sent: 	Friday, April 10, 1998 7:02 PM
> To: 	apisto mailing list
> Subject: 	Stray Apistos
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> last monday i've found 3 stray apistos, perhaps a new macmystery. The
> shop assistant couldn't tell what it is, where it comes from (surely a
> contaminant) nor how much it costs (funny eh). A day later after he's
> asked for a price and i've picked them up: 2 males 1 female (i hope
> it's
> really a female - but there isn't a big difference) at a moderate
> price
> (40 DM for those 3 fish). These guys are aprox. 40 - 45 mm. Males got
> lyra tail, short extensions on dorsal.
> 
> Now i'm quite sure it's A.gibbiceps - maybe i'm able to photograph
> them,
> scan it and put it on the net - i'd be interested in your opinion.
> Gibbiceps is a blackwater fish - right ? Are you able to tell about
> values of pH, hardness, electric condutivity, food requirements ?
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
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Gibbiceps

by "Vinod Kutty" <VKUTTY/prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998
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Thought you might find this interesting...

My A. gibbiceps spawned at pH 5.7, no hardness and about 75°F.  The tank has
no filtration, just aeration and plants, leaf litter and driftwood.  They
were fed live daphnia and balcony-raised mosquito larvae (pssst, dont tell
the neighbors), Tetrabits and indoor-cultured daphnia that were raised on
yeast.

I was hoping to take some pictures for my web site but the female chose
neither of the two good-looking males but the little wimpy one with "bad"
fins.  Hmmm.  Of the 4 fish, the two pretty (read show specimen) males were
killed within a day of onset of yellow coloration of the female.  One was a
floater and the other carpet cookie.

To make things interesting, I'd added a small Crenicichla notophthalmus male
to the tank.  Both these species are leaf-litter residents of the Rio Negro
system and since dwarf pikes eat apisto babies in the wild, I wanted to see
how things would work out.

The dead males could dominate the pike but not the two that spawned.  Hmmm.
The wimpy male still has a hard time (physically and motivationally) keeping
the pike at bay but the female has somehow managed to pound some fear into
the micropredator.

I'm curious to see how the babies fare.  I'll keep you posted.

Vinny Kutty
vkutty-at-prodigy.net
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Buying and Mixing Apistos

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998
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I agree with Fredrik, A. macmasteri would (usually) be easier to breed than A.
gibbiceps.

A. gibbiceps is a member of the A. gibbiceps-Group (See issue #53 of The
Apisto-gram).  This group has two sub-groupings, or complexes, within it - the
personata-complex and the gibbiceps-complex.  The personata-complex contains a
group of robust bodied species similar in shape to A. cacatuoides originating in
the upper Rio Negro and upper Rio Orinoco.  It includes A. personata, A. brevis,
A. cf. brevis, A. sp. Breitbinden (Broad-striped), and A. sp. Caño Morrocoy
(probably a geographic color variant of A. sp. Breitbinden).  The
gibbiceps-complex includes the slender forms coming from the lower and middle Rio
Negro and Rio Branco.  It includes A. gibbiceps (with fine horizontal stripes in
the tail) and A. cf. gibbiceps (also with fine horizontal stripes, but it also
has rows of vertical stripes in the central part of the tail fin).  A. cf.
gibbiceps (exported out of Barcelos, Brazil) may possibly be the same as A.
roraimae, which has a similar tail pattern.  Kullander feels A. roraimae is quite
likely just a different population of A. gibbiceps.

The interesting thing about A. gibbiceps is the variation in difficulty hobbyists
have breeding this species.  Many experienced breeder have found it next to
impossible to get consistent breeding from this fish even when using optimum
conditions for it (pH <5.5, total hardness <1º dH).  Others, on the other hand,
have found it very easy to breed on a consistent basis at normal apisto water
values (pH ~6.5, total hardness ~ 5º dH).  This possibly is due to the different
habitats in which these fish were collected.  Perhaps the Rio Negro form (A.
gibbiceps) absolutely requires black water conditions, while those (A.
roraimae/A. cf. gibbiceps) from the Rio Branco, a clear water system, do not.
What ever the reasons for this, more study is needed on the group of species -
both on species identification and breeding requirements.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble on.  Just a habit.

Mike Wise

Steph & Dave wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> This weekend I'm about to get my first pair of apistos (agassizzi) -
> having spent a number of months trying to find some in Sydney. (woo woo
> very exciting :)
>
> However the man at the LFS said he also has macmasterii and gibbiceps
> (sp?) (Never rains but it pours... heh?)
>
> Considering how long its taken me to find the aggies i was wondering
> whether I should also buy a pair of either the macmasterii or gibbiceps?
>
> They would have to go in the same community tank (55gal) with a pair of
> Rams and assorted other non agro fish.
>
> Any one got any advise about mixing these species ? The rams can be
> moved if I have to.
>
> Can anyone tell me what complex gibbiceps is in? Dave Soares site didnt
> mention 'em?
>
> IS there a site that has pictures of them on the web?
>
> TIA
>
> Steph
>
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A gibbiceps

by <kathy/thekrib.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998
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Hey, just had to share..

Picked up some stray apisto's 3 weeks ago, 5 that came in with some
dicrossus.  I knew the dicrossus were sick so I stuck them in a five
gallon isolation tank, bare except a PVC L, and five white cloud babies
for dithers.  It was an established tank...other than the fact it was
essentially bare.  Immediatelly 3 of the 5 died within the first two days.
I was too busy to muck with antibiotics, so I just did frequent water
changes and the other two survived.  Turned out to be a male gibbiceps and
what looked like a female gibbiceps but not really black ventrals.  I
figured great some more stray males.

About 5 days ago I decided to add to the tank a wounded P. Suboccellatus
matadi female.  She is a great spawning female and scraped her dorsal fin
on a cave entrance...looked like it was getting superinfected...she was in
Eriks crypt tank which meant I couldn't do much with salt and antibiotics
for fear of melting the crypts.  Not good for spousal relations..

So, I put her in the 5 gallon with the gibbis.  Adding 1 t salt and
antibiotics all looked good.

Then I left home for all of 36 hours.  Came home today to a beat up
suboccellatus, top corner.  Put her back in the water, figuring she was
just on her last leg.  And then two apisto bullets came after her.  Well
it wasn't her...its was them.  I couldn't figure out why, then I noticed
the yellow color with the black dot....duh.   They spawned in the PVC L,
I had to look,  and there are 40 eggs...we'll see if they last after all
of the disruption. Pulled
the suboocellatus out and 3 of the white clouds so there is less fish to
pick off fry.  

I still can't believe I spawned gibbiceps in a bare bones 5 gallon tank
and no plants.  Surprise to me.  

I am dancing around the house though, I have wanted to spawn this fish for
awhile.  Gave up earlier this year when I could never find a female.
Figured I would just have to go to Florida and visit Mike Jacobs for the
right fish.

Sorry its so long.  Just was so excited, I wanted to share.

Kathy




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A gibbiceps

by <kathy/thekrib.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998
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On Sun, 1 Nov 1998 Mayalauren@aol.com wrote:

> What was the pH etc?

Temp 77, ph 6.9, Hardness aprox. 1 degree.

Usually I put in bog wood, etc...and it drops the pH down.  Thats why this
is a surprise.  My last spawn of nijsseni though was in 6.7 ended up with
30% males, 70%females.  We have very soft water (as you know).

So we will see.

Kathy

ps...almost tempted to pull all the tank mates just in case the eggs
hatch.  I will leave all for now.



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gibbiceps growth/monogamy?

by Frauley/Elson <fraulels/minet.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000
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swaldron@slip.net wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I recently acquired some juvenile wc gibbiceps- likely Rio Negro in origin
> as evidenced by the pertensis and gephyra also in the same tank. In past
> experience with c.b. gibbiceps- I found the fry to grow extremely slow and
> ended up trading them off before they hit maturity (1 year). My current
> batch are the exact opposite- in the 2 weeks I have had them under my care
> the male has put on a cm in length, caudal extensions and some amazing
> colors. Though my husbandry has improved over the years- I'm wondering if
> there is more to it than that. There is a reference in Linke and Staeck
> about this fish being slow to grow- curious to know if anyone has similar
> experiences- do wild caugth fish grow faster? are they monogamous?
 
I'm keeping some F-1 "cf" gibbiceps, and they are growing as quickly as
any apisto I've kept. They're young adults, and haven't wasted any time
getting there. Thee were fry found orphaned in a weedy tank after the
parents mysteriously croaked, so I can't say they had the best of
treatment either, as I found them when they were 1-2 weeks freeswimming.
-Gary

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